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Misch Mischievous's avatar

So, mentally ill people boasting about abusing drugs... and this kind is “kinda” accepted and even sanctioned by western society... 🤢🤮

Ute Heggen's avatar

There's a women who ideates a male persona in my small town. She's quite short and morbidly obese. She's very quick to believe that she "passes" and tells people she's actually a "trans man" while describing the lengths she and her doctor have to go to, for the purpose of monitoring her out-of-control high blood pressure. The next thing she'll say is that she feels a mission to "educate" others about how it's really a much more common "health issue" (that is wanting to be opposite sex, not high blood pressure) that people think, and now that we "have more acceptance" the rates are naturally higher. This recruiting is very, very common. I asked her if she also felt that it was my ex-husband's right, as a "trans woman" to refuse to pay child support and lie about his lucrative employment. She said immediately, "Oh he's one of the bad ones. There are bad divorces in every group." She didn't ask whether my 2 sons came through ok. No, they didn't. This woman is completely brainwashed, to the point of taking her life in her hands. If she actually was male, her doctors would be begging her to take off 75-100 lbs from her 4 ft. 11 inch frame. (she's in a 'heterosexual marriage" with another woman, a telling detail)

Jeri's avatar

Great post; I was thinking along these lines this morning and wrote this:

Watching "Painkiller" on Netflix, about the rise of Oxycontin, as a method of curing pain, and solving a huge problem everyone has with suffering and pain, it occurred to me how much it parallels the rise of transgenderism.

A phalanx of attractive, young evangelists ( the drug reps) pushed this onto doctors, who were encouraged to forget everything humanity had known for thousands of years about the addictive power of opiates, who then, thinking they had a magical wonder drug, dispensed it onto the trusting population. People then had a brief honeymoon period where their pain was indeed taken away for a short time. Many folks went on to suffer horrific descent into addiction, with all of its attendant misery and destruction of families and jobs, etc.

Similarly, transgenderism was brought into the mainstream by attractive celebrities ( Bruce Jenner, Jazz Jennings, the cast of Pose, Chaz Bono, etc) and held up as the cure for pubertal discomfort, gender nonconformity, social isolation, depression, suicidality, etc. Transition works very nicely at first, for folks who undergo it; one gains friends, community, supportive messages from schools, online friends and the like. We are just beginning to see the descent into horrific medical complications ( osteoporosis, vaginal atrophy, heart disease, cancer, infertility), detransition efforts, family disconnection and societal disruptions ( assaults on women in prison and elsewhere, violent clashes with nonbelievers and women, silencing of dissent) as this cohort passes through time.

Richard Sackler's techniques of convincing doctors to prescribe by using sales reps motivated by money, believing they were curing pain "the 5th vital sign" , using young, true believers who did not have enough knowledge to understand the bigger picture, enlisting the conferences and the media with testimonials (Lived experience) and phony "studies" ( a small letter to the editor in NEJM was inflated to a study) is similar to the pushing of transgenderism based on the flawed Dutch protocol, and using young naive grad students and college students to push this narrative which ultimately is based on strict gender stereotypes and misogyny and homophobia. It does not solve the discomfort folks have with their sexed bodies; in fact it precludes comfort and perpetuates the rigid stereotypes we thought we had escaped in the 1970s by allowing women control over their reproductive capacity and freedom to pursue careers...

Holly Hart's avatar

Excellent analogy!!! Thank you.

ClemenceDane's avatar

I agree with this 100%, apart from listing Chastity Bono as "an attractive celebrity."

Felinias's avatar

"If it feels like the answer you want to hear it's the right answer" pretty much sums up all these online communities.

Cocaine would also make someone feel energized, confident, and euphoric. It doesn't mean being a cokehead is their true, authentic self.

William Shryer's avatar

This reminds me of folks with the mental illness known as body dysmorphic disorder where they are sure they have some bodily defect that no one but them can see. You know the folks that have multiple surgeries to correct the defect. Gender dysphoria leads to faulty decision making leading to depression and confusion and surgeries that will never repair the deep seated depression and contorted sense of self that was cemented early in childhood, and often due to trauma of some sort.

kilye dron's avatar

Imo it *is* bdd- all the signs are there.

William Shryer's avatar

My thoughts as well, however it is an odd unusual variant!

CARAPACE's avatar

As a parent, this is so scary. To think that some stranger could give hormones to another young person without a doctor present and following the patient. The unbelievable love-bombing on the internet is so bizarre.

Jane Says's avatar

I used to think I wouldn’t have to remind my teens, “don’t let anyone inject you with anything at the party”, when sending them out with my usual “no alcohol, no smoking”.

CARAPACE's avatar

...and watch your drink at all times if you do drink.

Holly Hart's avatar

Even a non-alcoholic drink can be spiked.

The Sue With the Goats's avatar

That post didn't ring true to me - there were lots of bells ringing, it feels like a very carefully crafted piece.

Brigid LaSage's avatar

It's so hard to tell. I did get that vibe too, but it's all so phony and affected even when it's real. In any case the comments are telling: It's a cult.

Moo yaar's avatar

I understand - But I think the response is quite frightening. It is a relief to see many trans people react with incredible concern. But the telling is in those who defend the event and justify it via one means or another.

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The Sue With the Goats's avatar

Lots of drugs induce euphoria, of course, nothing to do with one's identity.

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The Sue With the Goats's avatar

Yes, sorry, I get that. I just meant they're mistaking getting essentially "high" on this drug to mean they're trans, when it would have precisely the same effect on a non-gender-questioning female.

Dr Teresa Goodell's avatar

Testosterone has multiple effects on mood, including aggression and depression. The writer who claimed to get instant euphoria may have much worse effects in the future.

ScientificParentOfATransKid's avatar

Insane. And horrifically dangerous. 😩

Moo yaar's avatar

I red the original thread. I'm grateful to the people who were concrened about the nature of the event and the dangers it could pose. It saddens me that the people who support the idea that getting a T shot at a party is perfectly fine. Young adulthood in the gay scene in the 80s, needles & drugs were being used frequently at parties. This is very akin to those times. Not only is testosterone powerful and dangerous to use so frivously, shooting teststerone at a party can also spread other unwanted disease. This is completely nuts. I lost a lot of people in that decade becasue they shared needles, or fluids in the drugs, the spread of disease and because those drugs became addictive.

Even now, on twitter alone - I am seeing "Go Fund Me" pages of trans people who can no longer afford to buy their hormones - please note that I don't see this new trend as due to addiction, but an unfortunate cosequence of chosing a life that leads you to a life time dependancy on medication, and a global economy that is about to crash and burn. It is becoming very unsustainable for these young people, to be able to maintain the upkeep of drugs to affirm their "chosen" sex. Economically, I see this failing really hard in the next 5 years.

There are a few commentators in the thread who use the "it's hard to get hormones via medical care" as an excuse. Then you have the "that's how it was done in the old days" trope. No. No it wasn't. It was less prevelant, there were less FTM and the process was methodical and stringent. Is it possible that Hormones are an addiction? THAT needs to be looked into. A data set waiting to be done.

Goodness knows how that particular Genie can be put back in the bottle!

Truly heartbreaking. I do honestly care about these beautiful souls, everything is about the now - no long term future in their sights. The stuggle, will get harder day by day, year by year. Not because of social acceptance, but because of economic, envirnmental, physical and psychological struggles that never had to be like that in the first place. They (who's they? the top down?) manipulate people into thinking it is the easy path to take. When it is, in fact, the most difficult path a human could take on every level. Life is a gift. Where did that lesson go?

Holly Hart's avatar

Actually, a male who takes estrogen does not become physiologically dependent on it, nor does a female become physiologically dependent on exogenous testosterone. The "dependence" is the desire to continue to feel differently and look differently than previously. The sooner a person stops taking exogenous hormones the better, unless those hormones are truly needed to maintain a person within the normal range for their SEX and not just to bolster their "gender identity". Unfortunately, people who take exogenous hormones believe that they "need" them because they believe they cannot feel good unless they are taking them. They really do need explorative psychotherapy to come to understand that they were not "born in the wrong body" and that they can live contentedly as the SEX that they are and always will be.

Ullr's avatar

The voice dysphoria... just read a CBC first person about a high soprano opera singer who transitioned to become a tenor.. but really fucked up her/his vocal chords.

Felinias's avatar

Yeah, the vocal chords no longer fit in the space they developed in, of course it's going to fuck up the acoustics. The way they're so casual about it blows my mind.

Harry Ceramicist's avatar

I guess they show how totally unaware they are, that they can't imagine any consequences. Like a 'Transformers' toy, they expect their body can twist and change into the opposite sex. Except, oh dear, it doesn't seem to work out like that.... no matter how many wrong-sex hormones, and (cosmetic) surgeries...

Drew Kramer's avatar

I started on testosterone at the age of 57, concerned about my diminished muscle tone, lethargy, and my cratering libido. (And, being a gay man, peer pressure frankly.) Testosterone solved all those problems, plus elevated mood and drive. Six months later I had my annual checkup. Surprise! Problematic high cholesterol, pre-diabetic, and a 1 in 10 chance of having a heart attack in the next ten years.

I decided to give myself a deadline of five years and after that I’ll quit T and resign myself to being an old--though healthier--man.

Dr Amelia R Cohn's avatar

The pro T people sound like drug addicts peer pressuring someone into their dead end lifestyle.

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The number of hard drug addicts in the TQ community is staggering. I personally knew several meth and fentanyl addicts in my previous city's local community.

Schedule hormones, enforce distribution laws, and a good deal of the contagion and "DIY HRT" distribution will end.

baker charlie's avatar

Out of the male transitioners (and cross dressers) I've known, several were fueled by bouts of meth and porn. I remember in the pre trans days one guy's wife refusing an offer to get together when I had returned to the town, she told me she kept him away from any situation which might trigger partying and start the cycle of dressing and meth again (I think of her whenever I read about trans widows and hope she's all right. She hated his female 'alter' and called 'her' a b*tch, referring to 'her' in a way that sounded like a third person in the relationship). If they weren't into meth, they were heavy boozers and pill poppers.

I've not known any TIFs personally, but most appear to have eating disorders of some kind or another.

Suffice to say, without meth I think a lot of the men would never have gone down this road.

Holly Hart's avatar

Testosterone is a Schedule 3 drug as are all steroids. Estrogen is not scheduled. Easy to google.

Ollie Parks's avatar

First, from a gay male perspective, this episode is disheartening because it speaks to the erasure of same-sex identities in favor of endlessly malleable gender identities. Many of us grew up navigating social alienation, body discomfort, or a lack of role models—especially for gender-nonconforming girls—without being told our feelings signified a misaligned gender. Instead of embracing butch lesbians, tomboys, effeminate boys, or gender variance within a gay framework, today’s culture funnels discomfort directly into pharmaceutical intervention.

This episode also exemplifies what gender-critical thinkers have long warned: that “gender euphoria” is not a reliable diagnostic tool, and that critical safeguards meant to protect young, vulnerable people from irreversible harm are being dismantled in the name of affirmation. The fact that a controlled substance like testosterone is being passed around like party favors—with no clinical oversight—is not just reckless, it’s a public health failure. That this occurs amid pink plastic décor at a Barbie party is both surreal and symbolic: the ultimate consumerist fantasy, where even identity becomes something to try on and discard at whim.

The community’s reaction—dismissing safety concerns as “cop energy” or “moralizing”—exposes how moral inversion has taken root. In a culture where concern equals oppression, and impulsivity is rebranded as courage, it is hard to imagine how thoughtful, gay-affirming voices can break through. Yet we must. Because beneath the glitter and euphoria is a generation of young people—especially lesbians—being medicated for being nonconforming in a world that no longer remembers what not conforming even meant.

Secondly, this story encapsulates something far bigger than a gender identity crisis at a Barbie party. It reveals a cultural moment where moral reasoning has been deliberately dismantled to make space for ideologies that would not survive even the gentlest ethical scrutiny.

The rejection of judgment here isn’t just about gender—it's the same mindset that undergirds the “harm reduction” movement, where the compassionate impulse has been weaponized to eliminate standards altogether. When "no judgment" becomes the highest virtue, it clears the path for behaviors once understood as self-destructive—injecting street hormones at a party, for example—to be reframed as brave acts of self-discovery.

What we're seeing is the deliberate smashing of the moral framework that once tethered personal freedom to social responsibility. The result is not liberation but license. It's why “fuck around and find out” is now offered not as a warning, but as therapeutic advice.

This isn't progress. It's dereliction. We've reached a point where questioning a stranger injecting steroids into your body at a party makes you the problem. This moral flattening doesn’t just enable dangerous behavior—it protects power. Big Tech and identity cults thrive in climates where dissent is taboo and the only sin is failing to affirm someone’s “truth.”

"No judgment" may sound enlightened, but it's often the war cry of people in freefall—and of institutions that benefit when no one is allowed to say, “This isn’t right.”

Holly Hart's avatar

Wow! So many excellent points you have made and such an excellent overall understanding of what is now going on. Now I will need to read and reread and reread and figure out how to explain all of this to other people going forward. It would be great if you could write a free-standing essay covering all of this and publish it.

Suzanne's avatar

Thank you, Eliza. If this is representative, in any way, is 30 the new 18? Yikes. Without panicking, I'll read this as just another reminder to keep up the fight (against "gender affirming care", "embodiment goals", and "gender ideology" in our schools/laws/culture). And for a reset, I found myself heading over David Byrne's "Reasons to Be Cheerful" (https://reasonstobecheerful.world) for some other takes on our world.

Felinias's avatar

This whole movement drenches itself in juvenile aesthetics and arrested adolescence. 30 is the 18 is pretty accurate.

Stephen Gregson's avatar

Yes their behavior is very childlike

Emmy Elle's avatar

I mean, I know this isn’t the point of the post but it sounds like a serious misreading of Barbie.

El Diablo's avatar

"Girl gets injected with testosterone, a steroid, at a Barbie party. Girl reacts to testosterone, which is a steroid, the way anybody would (energized, confident, euphoric). Girl wonders if she should turn a one-time hit into a serious drug habit."

I just wanna grab these people and yell "think about your insurance premiums!" or "think about your pensions!". These kids can't all be rich, can they?

ordinary woman's avatar

If it wasn’t T it would sound like a bunch of giggling girls experimenting with a push-up bra...these are girls doing girl things, acting girlishly...

Holly Hart's avatar

But it is testosterone, a powerful steroid, being taken by females whose bodies (physiology) are not designed to accommodate so much of an androgen. This "girlishness" is dangerous.